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smalltiger 發表於 2013-4-19 08:28
Audiophileip Ching 你好 ，據我了解師兄藏碟量豐富，擁有很發燒天碟，小的不敢班門弄斧，只是 ...

Thanks tiger hing!
I have not many sacd and I don't have SHM-sacd(very expensive).

I started sacd ripping and playback via DAC recently.

That's why I look for some sacds which can be better than cd.

However, as far as I know, those hybrid sacds are NOT necessarily better sound than cd ( of the same disc in cd layer or earlier version)

And now I look for sacd good stuff to experience the strength of sacd.

As tiger hing also mentioned in hiendy, many earlier/first press CDs have better sound than recent reissue or boxset. I wonder new sacd reissue would be the same and just more expensive !!!!

Lets share!!

smalltiger

Audiophilelp 發表於 2013-4-19 12:40
Thanks tiger hing!
I have not many sacd and I don't have SHM-sacd(very expensive).

Dear Audiophileip Ching, I would like to share my experences on SACD and CD playbacks. I firstly owned a marantz SA14V2 with self-modified parts all in transport, clock, power supply, D/A and analog part. After each modification, obvious improvement was subsequently found and the SACD performance was increased much more than CD, especially in tone, S/N, sound dynamic, and so-called 'near to original sound', etc with use of this player.
Despite, the description of how SACD beyond CD was mentioned in music record industry, I just found the difference of DSD and PCM playback was obvious but not huge enough as allegedly before purchasing a Medea D/A for PCM and EMM SACD player for SACD. After these upgrading, I 'saw' the great changes and was shocked by the sound of CD with use of Medea or SACD sound by EMM during playing back the previous hybird SACD discs I had. In fact, the data capability and decode of SACD and CD were quite different and let listeners to have first impression that CD was 'seemed' to be sharper and more dynamic in sound while SACD gave much more sound detail, 3D sound stage and rich in tone due to SACD's 7 times music data than CD format per disc. Even with both the players in famous brands of music record industry, the reproduction of SACD layer was obviously superior than CD one in a hybird SACD in my setting.
I heard one Ching said that a EMM XD1S player made him to know the real paradise of SACD. I also learnt that apart from the format of SACD/CD, the different leagues of players you had, also had great impact on sound reproduction in your HiFi system. It is my experience shared and I hope you enjoy the life of SACDs with use of a EMM SACD Player. ha ha............   

Audiophilelp

smalltiger 發表於 2013-4-19 14:20
Dear Audiophileip Ching, I would like to share my experences on SACD and CD playbacks. I firstly o ...

Tiger Hing

It seems to me sacd is superior to cd due to its technical characteristics.

For us, our perception with ear is even more important.

To hear more and appreciate the strength of sacd, a more decent sacd player is required.

Your Medea and emmlab are already reference class.

For me, I have LP system and I cannot afford more on SACD, even a good sacd may approach LP.

But now doing experiment on sacd ripping, seeing if dsd files playback can replace a good / expensive sacd player ( the same principle in cd ripping and FAS)

That's why I look for good sacd for test. If I rip sacd which has already bad sound itself, it is meaningless. I need good sacd as a reference disc for comparison. Unfortunately I don't have a reference line sacd player.

The ripped dsd files may not be necessarily good sound and there many factors affecting the final sound quality (eg DAC, software, computer, power supply etc)

For dsd files, it seems to me those from original masters are also very impressive.

smalltiger

Audiophilelp 發表於 2013-4-19 16:17
Tiger Hing  

It seems to me sacd is superior to cd due to its technical characteristics. ...

Ching, I support your viewpoints. In my opinion, CD, SACD and LP are different types of sources and have their own strengthens. LP is analog straight source and easy to have good sound even with a middle-level phono amp while both CD and SACD are in need of quite complicate D/A converter to manage the complex digital processing. C(computer)AS, in my own view, is not a high-grade source while high-grade music server/ banker such as Weiss MAN301, Linn KDS or Burmester 111 might be one of best digital facilities for high-end playback yet, but very expensive. Also, even ripping SACD via PS3 for DSD or CD for PCM file might not be superior than CD, LP/ SACD as they are well developed over a decade. I do not reject digital file source, but I prefer to wait for a mature product in market with competitive price. I do hope to learn more on digital file source from Ching and please share more here. Thanks!

Audiophilelp

smalltiger 發表於 2013-4-19 17:11
Ching, I support your viewpoints. In my opinion, CD, SACD and LP are different types of  ...

Yes, there are many new FAS/CAS related products coming into the market!

If files ripped from cd / sacd, I think the sound quality should not be superior to the original physical media. But the playback plays a very important role.

For hires files from original master , I think it is a new world

smalltiger

Audiophilelp 發表於 2013-4-19 21:33
Yes, there are many new FAS/CAS related products coming into the market!

If files ripped from cd  ...

In mho download file music is inevitable to become the huge wave to popular listeners. The success of downloading music files for demanding or  hifi player are depending on the quality of music files provided in internet/ market. As we know, the master digital copy is mainly kept in 24/96 format adopted by professional music providers, it is hard to believe they releasing the real master copy at relatively low price to buyers. Anyway, the markets of CD and SACD, likes LP will become smaller and smaller as well as only for high~demanding users.