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作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-13 17:14
標題: 2手5萬元amp選擇
本帖最後由 bsuper 於 2012-5-13 17:15 編輯

小弟用緊JMR offrande
有50k甘上下budget
1. Einstein Absolute Tune
未聽過，見呢度有師兄試過，除左低頻控制力就樣樣都好好(要親身去試試先)
2. ASR Emitter I Exclusive with battery
ASR聽過一次，速度armarm好，同埋帶甜味
3. Atoll PR300+AM200
Atoll聽過但系覺得乾聲左小小，可能因為聽開膽機，速度好好
4. YBA 1 pre + power
YBA曾經用過，甜聲，但系衝擊力比較差

Jeff Rowland都聽過下(咩model就唔記得)，帶小甜，除左個低比較緊之外其他都好平衡。

其實我prefer合併機，因為比較方便。我純粹系聽音樂，唔系要求要樣樣都perfect。當然唔會無要求啦~

希望各位師兄比下意見~

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-13 18:28
師兄考慮下Octave V70se。胆机但速度快控制力好

作者: zealhifi 時間: 2012-5-13 18:36
jmr + asr 以前好似在旺角舊代理到聽過,好正喎

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-13 19:26

Law記發表於 2012-5-13 18:28
師兄考慮下Octave V70se。胆机但速度快控制力好

膽機暫時唔考慮住
因為我屋企冬冷夏熱...............
在之前EL34已經頂唔順.......
KT88我驚會熱死.......
Thanks for your suggestion anyways

作者: JSL 時間: 2012-5-13 20:53
ASR Emitter I with battery = 3 pieces
May require more space than integrated or Pre + Power
Having said that, the sound is very good
Good luck with your search

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-13 21:40

JSL 發表於 2012-5-13 20:53
ASR Emitter I with battery = 3 pieces
May require more space than integrated or Pre + Power
Having s ...

hehehe
actually space is not a problem for me
i wish that i can buy the emitter ii if i have money~

作者: Kraftwerk2 時間: 2012-5-13 21:53
I reckon you could consider Sugden Masterclass IA-4 Integrated Amplifier, tube sounding UK int amp with 33W*2 in Class A

Inside of Sugden Masterclass IA-4

As it operates in Class A, should be a bit warm but not as hot as atube amp.

Norma Revo IPA 140 from Italy with 140W*2

Inside of Norma Revo IPA 140

A review of Norma

http://radaraud.server263.com/cp ... ;JAS_Document_id=84

These 2 amps sound musical but I believe that the Norma should sound a bit faster. They should price within $50,000 for new.

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-14 12:04
其實師兄頭兩個choices我都喜歡
Einstein覺得佢好靚仔,亦聽人講過佢都好musical
ASR就自己曾聽過Emitter II Exclusive, 真係好正!

作者: supercow 時間: 2012-5-14 12:09
推JMR 我會選貴豐, ASR 又或者老麥MA7000

作者: 一休大師 時間: 2012-5-14 12:21
四部机中我會揀愛因斯旦，因為它的聲音就只有音樂，非常正

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 12:49

Kraftwerk2 發表於 2012-5-13 21:53
I reckon you could consider Sugden Masterclass IA-4 Integrated Amplifier, tube sounding UK int amp w ...

Thanks for your advise~
i would to try sugden but where can i audit this amp..........can't find any hk dealership info........

作者: Kraftwerk2 時間: 2012-5-14 14:58

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 12:49
Thanks for your advise~
i would to try sugden but where can i audit this amp..........can't find a ...

Garner is Sugden's dealer, you could ask them

Garner Company
Address Room 916,
9/F, Parklane Centre
25, Kin Wing Street
Tuen Mun, N.T.

Tel no: 2543 2789

I guess it is available at 華仁影音Yau Shing Bldg MK but please ask before your visit.

http://www.ccav.hk/product/list/category-id/3

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 15:01

一休大師發表於 2012-5-14 12:21
四部机中我會揀愛因斯旦，因為它的聲音就只有音樂，非常正

一休大師知道邊度有得試嗎?

作者: racewong 時間: 2012-5-14 15:04

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 15:01
一休大師知道邊度有得試嗎?

我都會揀愛因斯旦

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 15:17

racewong 發表於 2012-5-14 15:04
我都會揀愛因斯旦

Racewong兄聽過嗎?
聲底如何~?
Thanks

作者: ultramanzero 時間: 2012-5-14 15:21
愛因斯旦數字台好似有貨！不過比我都係要 ASR

作者: racewong 時間: 2012-5-14 15:32

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 15:17
Racewong兄聽過嗎?
聲底如何~?
Thanks

我只係showroom聽過咋. 不能作準唷!

不過JMR夾膽機係好聽D.

作者: racewong 時間: 2012-5-14 15:32

ultramanzero 發表於 2012-5-14 15:21
愛因斯旦數字台好似有貨！不過比我都係要 ASR

三大件唷! 大阻訂了.

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 15:35

racewong 發表於 2012-5-14 15:32
三大件唷! 大阻訂了.

3件我完全無問題~

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 15:37

racewong 發表於 2012-5-14 15:32
我只係showroom聽過咋. 不能作準唷!

不過JMR夾膽機係好聽D.

屋企夏天太熱(頂樓..........)
頂唔順

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 15:41

ultramanzero 發表於 2012-5-14 15:21
愛因斯旦數字台好似有貨！不過比我都係要 ASR

ultramanzero兄
我鐘意細件頭得黎有D甜味，個低潛的深個量唔需要太多
ASR系咪應該arm d?

作者: 一休大師 時間: 2012-5-14 15:45

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 15:01
一休大師知道邊度有得試嗎?

旺角有蛇十六樓天上音響

作者: Kraftwerk2 時間: 2012-5-14 17:05
本帖最後由 Kraftwerk2 於 2012-5-14 17:15 編輯

Alternatively, might be a good idea to use a French amp to drive your French spk such as Lavardin IS ref with 40W*2. I remember in the late 90s, when the J M Lab launch their Utopia series, they use Lavardin to drive their speaker.

Inside doesn't look too impressive and somehow shabby, the selling point is their 'memory distortion free' design. Don't really understand the nitty gritty cos I am not an engineer. In a layman term, I think the circuit avoid lost of energy to the speaker.

Check whether the ex demo offer is still available from the dealer, some say that they have home demo service as well.

http://sonancehouse.com/zh-hant/node/773

Seems like the gist on driving the Offrande is not power, one conundrum is the use of J C Verdier 300B amp with surprisingly good results but of course not with heavy bass weight.

作者: ultramanzero 時間: 2012-5-14 17:07

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 15:35
3件我完全無問題~

二手五萬計應該買唔到三件 (電池版)，兩件就差唔多！

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 17:20

ultramanzero 發表於 2012-5-14 17:07
二手五萬計應該買唔到三件 (電池版)，兩件就差唔多！

我見之前有師兄放5萬5所以以為應該得tim..........

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 17:26

Kraftwerk2 發表於 2012-5-14 17:05
Alternatively, might be a good idea to use a French amp to drive your French spk such as Lavardin IS ...

I would love to try Lavardin too~
the feedback seems very positive regarding to this amp~
in fact i plan to use my next amp for at least 5 years so i have to audit a few more amps before i make my decision~

作者: Kraftwerk2 時間: 2012-5-14 17:36

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 17:26
I would love to try Lavardin too~
the feedback seems very positive regarding to this amp~
in fact ...

BTW, any worry on lack of parts for JMR Offrande? What's your impression on the JMR Offrande Supreme? I heard mixed opinions as it is designed by Jean Claude Reynaud, JMR's son.

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 17:48

Kraftwerk2 發表於 2012-5-14 17:36
BTW, any worry on lack of parts for JMR Offrande? What's your impression on the JMR Offrande Supre ...

In my opinion, offrande is pretty hard to push well. The bass is not easy to control and the high can sound harsh if the quality of the amp is not good enough. That's why i think most people said tube amp is more suitable for it. I'm now using tube amp to push it and sounds pretty well with just 10W of power with EL84. As for offrande supreme, i heard once in dealer. It's just as good as the old offrande in almost all aspect, the only drawback to me is the lack of "emotion"...............That's why i decide to buy the old offrande instead of the supreme

作者: ultramanzero 時間: 2012-5-14 18:17

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 15:41
ultramanzero兄
我鐘意細件頭得黎有D甜味，個低潛的深個量唔需要太多
ASR系咪應該arm d?

愛因斯坦未聽過比唔到意見！ASR 就似你想要既，聲音精緻細密，力水收放自如！

作者: terence 時間: 2012-5-14 18:36

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 17:20
我見之前有師兄放5萬5所以以為應該得tim..........

果套好似係2005version連電池.

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 18:44

terence 發表於 2012-5-14 18:36
果套好似係2005version連電池.

對對對~
就系果部~

作者: Butler 時間: 2012-5-14 21:37
本帖最後由 Butler 於 2012-5-14 21:48 編輯

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 17:48
In my opinion, offrande is pretty hard to push well. The bass is not easy to control and the high ...

I owned JMR Offrande for almost 2 years and now using Orfeo.

I agree with you that Offrande is not easily driven, the bass can easily out of control.  I used to drive it with Luxman 509FSE for just short period of time, controlling is not an issue but the sound simply not attractive enough.

Soon i drove the Offrande by Jadis DA50 Sign (KT88 ) which i personally think they are perfect match and used them for more than 1 year.  The only concern is Jadis is very hot.

Then i also tried to drive the Offrande by Leben CS600 (6L6GC, EL34 but can also use KT88), however, simply can't control the bass well ( a bit better if drive by KT88, but still not as good as Jadis DA50 sign in controlling the bass).

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-14 22:49
本帖最後由 tckl 於 2012-5-14 22:57 編輯

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 17:48
In my opinion, offrande is pretty hard to push well. The bass is not easy to control and the high ...

版主你同我都能認定 offrande 係合自己口味的好喇叭............哈哈好彩你無退會

offrende 雖然話難玩好，但易聽，我一段時間用 d cheap amp 都推得好好聽。

當 offrende 遇上不太溶聲的膽機時，佢種中頻泛音同特色好似食靚流沙飽咁…香甜飄逸…

Lavardin - 我未聽過，不過曾經係我買返 509u 前的一個選擇，大地方用佢我有信心，如果師兄唔介意二手價值，同諗住長玩的話，我係極力推薦，代理有得借返屋企試同埋好似有一年內七折回收，你可以去代理處睇下。
當然有 budget 下應一步到位買佢部 IT. 數字台都有部 IT 2 手見過，不過個價就唔係咁吸引。
聽講佢好處係低頻控制力好，有膽機音色。有位用家係 hiendy 都描述得好清楚，去 look look 啦。

至於我用 509u 係咪好配？在我口味同聽音環境就係喇，如果大點地方可能個低未必夾得好。

ASR 同愛因斯坦都係佳選，要睇你口味囉。

留得 offrande 在那怕無 amp 推。慢慢諗啦！

唔介意玩日本機，新出的 luxman 590AX 都唔錯！如果能配條 AH GP-1 就 good fit.
呢個係早排如果買唔到 509u的話，係我次選之一。

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-14 22:54

Butler 發表於 2012-5-14 21:37
I owned JMR Offrande for almost 2 years and now using Orfeo.

I agree with you that Offrande is ...

butler hing,
jadis DA50 這推 offrende 真係唔錯，不過真係太熱！

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 23:09

Butler 發表於 2012-5-14 21:37
I owned JMR Offrande for almost 2 years and now using Orfeo.

I agree with you that Offrande is ...

Tube amp is much easier to match with offrande
the only problem for me is..........................the heat................
i tried KT90, EL34 and now EL84
what surprises me is EL84 is the best match in my home~

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-14 23:29

tckl 發表於 2012-5-14 22:49
版主你同我都能認定 offrande 係合自己口味的好喇叭............哈哈好彩你無退會

offrende 雖然話難玩 ...

其實之前用Jadis同YBA都幾滿意
但系總系差小小野甘
Jadis甜得黎分析力唔多夠
YBA就平衡D但系推力唔夠
所以想一鑊過整部機可以一勞永逸
我其實唔鐘意換機............
純粹因為重未搵到部可以fullfill到我所有要求

人真系好鬼麻煩~

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-15 21:57

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 23:29
其實之前用Jadis同YBA都幾滿意
但系總系差小小野甘
Jadis甜得黎分析力唔多夠

Lavardin 喇！

有得係屋企試，無咁大風險，又可試真 d.

作者: Kraftwerk2 時間: 2012-5-15 22:59

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-14 23:09
Tube amp is much easier to match with offrande
the only problem for me is......................... ...

The JMR Offrande sounds excellent driven by my JCV 845.

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-16 19:35
最後3強

ASR Emitter I Exclusive with battery
Lavardin IT
Einstein Absolute Tune

有時間去試清楚!

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-16 21:11
如果Lavardin真係有得試梗係試左先！唔鍾意咪係ASR 同Einstein再揀囉

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-16 21:19
我意思係Lavardin在家中試

作者: Butler 時間: 2012-5-17 13:48

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-16 19:35
最後3強

ASR Emitter I Exclusive with battery

昨晚聽左YBA 6xK level amp, 好有好感，絕對應試一試。
應該同offrande 好夾。

作者: ultramanzero 時間: 2012-5-17 13:59
Larvadin 冷門嘢二手應難揾，唔知全新要幾多萬？

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-17 14:51

Butler 發表於 2012-5-17 13:48
昨晚聽左YBA 6xK level amp, 好有好感，絕對應試一試。
應該同offrande 好夾。

之前都用過YBA
不過系舊款合併intregre delta版
其實當時以價論聲真系抵到爛
音色都好鐘意
等我有時間去試試新款先~
Thanks

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-17 19:48
迷惘中見一絲曙光！！

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-18 19:06
試左ASR旗艦LUNA 8
好正..............

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-18 20:46
樓主去邊度試？

作者: bsuper 時間: 2012-5-18 21:25

Law記發表於 2012-5-18 20:46
樓主去邊度試？

代理~

作者: Zombie28 時間: 2012-5-23 00:56
本帖最後由 Zombie28 於 2012-5-23 01:00 編輯

tckl 發表於 2012-5-14 22:49
版主你同我都能認定 offrande 係合自己口味的好喇叭............哈哈好彩你無退會

offrende 雖然話難玩 ...

Tckl 師：想請教小第505u想升級，想請教509u 貴兩倍，有什麼分別？另想知class a 590ax 和509u 聲音是咩分別？但新的Luxman.如590ax 的size 方面又可襯返同廠cd 機！509u是否同價位中超班超值嗎？又聽說505ux 又不及505u好，是否所有model都是上一代好點嗎？590ax 和 509u cp值誰高點呢？thanks

作者: billy997 時間: 2012-5-23 08:01
標題: 2手5萬元amp選擇
Take 509u if you are okay it doesn't have remote.

- 發送自我的 iPhone 大板凳應用

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-23 12:41

Zombie28 發表於 2012-5-23 00:56
Tckl 師：想請教小第505u想升級，想請教509u 貴兩倍，有什麼分別？另想知class a 590ax 和509u 聲音是咩 ...

Zombie hing,

我無認真聽過 505u, 但我試下回應你問題作參考，

想請教小第505u想升級，想請教509u 貴兩倍，有什麼分別？我有位朋友就係由 505u 轉全新 509u, 佢話絕對抵回差價有餘！
另想知class a 590ax 和509u 聲音是咩分別？簡單講，係 A 類同 AB 類聲的分別， 509u 係高低頻應同反應快都係 AB 類的特點， 590ax 比起 590AII 改善係高頻同清晰度追近 509u，但始終係 A 類，爽快度比不上509u, 但味道、滑度、音樂感又會比 509u 好點，要看配置與口味，對我來講，唔好比拼大家的優點，兩部都係好機。只是音色取向不同。
但新的Luxman.如590ax 的size 方面又可襯返同廠cd 機！呢樣我無研究囉…
509u是否同價位中超班超值嗎？呢個問題可能無得答，因為已經停產，但以價論聲絕對抵聽
又聽說505ux 又不及505u好，是否所有model都是上一代好點嗎？唔好聽人講，自己去聽下。
590ax 和 509u cp值誰高點呢？對我泥講兩部都一樣高。

作者: racewong 時間: 2012-5-23 13:05

tckl 發表於 2012-5-23 12:41
Zombie hing,

我無認真聽過 505u, 但我試下回應你問題作參考，

要看配置與口味，對我來講，唔好比拼大家的優點，兩部都係好機。只是音色取向不同。
---------------------------------------
超讚!

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-23 14:08
經tckl兄解釋, 明白多左A同AB 類的分別, 又學多左野,謝謝!

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-23 14:26

racewong 發表於 2012-5-23 13:05
要看配置與口味，對我來講，唔好比拼大家的優點，兩部都係好機。只是音色取向不同。
------------------- ...

多謝鎗皇，我都係從你的試聽經驗學到的…

作者: tckl 時間: 2012-5-23 14:32

Law記發表於 2012-5-23 14:08
經tckl兄解釋, 明白多左A同AB 類的分別, 又學多左野,謝謝!

唔好客氣，我吹吹水咋！

其實聽機有時幾茅盾，鐘意 A 類的滑同肉地同時，但又想有 AB 的動感同爽闊。真係…

不過唔論音響性分數，我係會投 A 類一票。

曾幾何時有師兄同我講過，機越熱越靚聲… 我到今日都唔敢肯定佢呢句經驗的確實性…

不過對 A 類放大一向有信心。我玩最長時間的一部 AMP 就係 MF A100....

作者: Law記 時間: 2012-5-23 15:34
完全同意兄台感受! 我都喜歡A類既順滑及音樂感同時又希望有AB類既速度及控制力, 呢d都係好多發燒友既願望,可惜針無兩頭利

作者: april 時間: 2012-5-23 15:54
本帖最後由 april 於 2012-5-23 15:55 編輯

bsuper 發表於 2012-5-17 14:51
之前都用過YBA
不過系舊款合併intregre delta版
其實當時以價論聲真系抵到爛

listen the YBA passion 300 amp in friends setup half year before.

very dynamic and detail sound. Wide soundstage with good texture and silent backgroud.

Finally I also bought this amp too after half year.

作者: Zombie28 時間: 2012-5-23 18:15

tckl 發表於 2012-5-23 12:41
Zombie hing,

我無認真聽過 505u, 但我試下回應你問題作參考，

Thanks ah tckl hing 詳盡分柝，又學到野

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