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[CAS] [AV / HiFi] New Linn DSM vs Linn DS

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發表於 2011-10-12 22:27:46 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式


Linn DS = (Digital Stream Player)

Linn DSM = (Digital Stream Media Player ?) with Digital Inputs (HDMI / SPDIF / TOSLINK)

Majik DSM
Akurate DSM
Klimax DSM

http://www.linn.co.uk/systems/ds#range









Here is a brief note of some of the technical details.

    The DSM products are stereo devices capable of rendering 2 channels of audio presented to any of their analog or digital inputs.
    The digital inputs (HDMI, SPDIF, TOSLINK) will accept decoded (PCM) streams.
    Any encoded formats selected by the user to be sent to the KDSM (Dolby, DTS etc) , will be rejected (muted)
    Any video present on the HDMI input will be passed directly via the HDMI output to the TV.


What's a typical use of a DSM system with Bluray?


Simply put, the DSM will be used to make the audio sound better than it currently does via the direct Bluray to TV set audio connection. In the case of the Klimax DSM (KDSM), the connection will be from the Bluray player HDMI out to one of the KDSM HDMI inputs, and again from your KDSM HDMI out to the TV HDMI in. Then with the Bluray player's HDMI output set to "Auto", the Bluray player will send the appropriate audio formats and sample rates to the DSM. In this case, the Bluray audio stream PCM is decoded by the Bluray player, which is a feature supported by the vast majority of current Bluray players on the market today, including a basic PS3.

The end result, in this typical use case, is your Bluray movies sound better. :-)



Finally, here are a few additional notes on audio over HDMI, decoding vs. rendering, some interesting SACD opportunities and maybe something for the future.

Audio over HDMI
This depends on the capabilities of both the sender (Bluray) and the receiver (KDSM). Currently, the KDSM advertises itself as a 2-channel receiver capable of 192kHz/24-bit LPCM playback. It is the sender's responsibility to provide an audio stream that is within the audio capabilities of the receiver. At the very minimum, the sender should be able to provide a stereo 16-bit 48/44.1k stream, regardless of source material, but most sources (e.g Bluray players) as noted above will also decode and down-mix high resolution formats such as Dolby-TrueHD and DTS-HD MA to a hi-res 2-channel LPCM stream.


Decoding vs. Rendering
Modern surround formats such as Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD MA are capable of lossless high-resolution audio, but the performance of these formats is ultimately limited by the quality of the rendering process (i.e. the way digital data is converted into an analog signal). The actual decoding algorithm is unimportant (a lossless decoder is just that) so the KDSM offloads the decoding process to the Bluray player. This has the advantage of removing a potentially noisy and power hungry process which may otherwise have an adverse effect on the delicate analog audio signal. The KDSM focuses instead on being an audio renderer, converting each audio sample in the HDMI stream with the highest possible accuracy. Timing accuracy is achieved by using a unique two-stage clock recovery process, and amplitude accuracy is achieved by employing the same low distortion conversion circuitry as the KDS.


SACD opportunities

Additionally there is some interesting support for SACD playback from a source (Bluray or combo) players which are capable of sending SACD and DVD-A audio over HDMI (HDMI is an approved transmission medium for these formats thanks to its HDCP encryption scheme). There are some limitations, such as SACD bit streams being down-sampled to 176.4k or 88.2k and multi-channel material down-mixed to stereo, however it does give the ability to allow the playback of SACD layers from combo disks which cannot be currently ripped for streamed playback.


For the future...

The DSM currently renders 2-channels of audio, however it does have the potential to access all 8 channels of a multi-channel stream. Assuming the availability of some downstream multi-channel renderer, it will be possible for the KDSM to extract 2 of the 8 channels (e.g. front left/right) and pass the remaining channels on to the downstream renderer. This will present other problems in terms of managing audio delays and channel volumes, however we are reviewing potential solutions to this and would like to address these issues in a future software release.

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發表於 2011-10-12 22:44:11 | 顯示全部樓層
不過其實當佢係部多左Digital inputs, 可以做DAC既DS都ok既
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-12 22:54:09 | 顯示全部樓層


Digital Inputs with Preamp Functions:

Linn Klimax DSM - 01.jpg

Linn Klimax DSM - 02.jpg

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-12 23:03:41 | 顯示全部樓層


Klimax DSM available in October 2011

Akurate DSM & Majik DSM available in November 2011

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-13 07:34:29 | 顯示全部樓層
有少少多魚...
brkkh 發表於 2011-10-13 00:24




DSM – what does the M stand for?

M stands for:
• Music
• Movies & TV
• Mobile
• Multi-source
• Multi-room
• Multi-user


What are the main use cases for DSM Systems?

• Music: from MP3 to Studio Master, DSM Systems are best for music.
• Movies & TV: connect a Blu-ray player, DVD player, set-top box or TV and hear the difference Linn
makes to your viewing pleasure.
• Multi-source: as well as digital and analogue inputs, the network input lets you experience any
computer-based music, wired or wireless, at Linn quality. From iTunes to Spotify, from iPlayer to
YouTube, internet radio and streamed concerts; thanks to Songcast, anything you listen to on a PC or
Mac can be enjoyed through a DSM System.
• Mobile: imagine a friend comes to the house and wants to play their music collection from their mobile -
they can send music straight from their phone or tablet to the DSM System.
• Multiroom: because DSM Systems are designed with multiroom in mind, anything that’s playing on a
DSM System can be listened to in any other room of the house using Songcast.
• Multi-user: Linn’s open networked approach means DSM Systems are multi-user systems for the whole
household, allowing for shared or separate music libraries, any combination of control interface, and for
independent or simultaneous listening throughout the home.

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-13 07:47:55 | 顯示全部樓層


Linn Klimax DSM

Linn Klimax DSM - Rear.jpg

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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-13 08:18:28 | 顯示全部樓層


Linn Akurate DSM

Linn Akurate DSM - Rear.jpg

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發表於 2011-10-13 09:44:27 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 史的墳 於 2011-10-13 09:45 編輯

So, Linn DS will become AV Pre-amp in the future......

I can foresee that the price of the current Linn DS will be....... WTF......
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-13 10:42:19 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 raywan 於 2011-10-13 10:58 編輯
So, Linn DS will become AV Pre-amp in the future......

I can foresee that the price of th ...
史的I can foresee that the price of the current Linn DS will be.......  WTF......墳 發表於 2011-10-13 09:44




No, the DS will NOT fade out soon.

The DS and DSM will be developed con-currently.

DS --> HiFi Enthusiasts

DSM --> Better Sound Quality on (2 Channel) AV & HiFi


At present, DSM is only for 2 Channel not Multi-Channel.

May be you can play SACD or DVD-Audio or Blu-ray Audio or Games with much high sound quality than nowadays universal machine via HDMI or other digital inputs.

Blu-ray, DVD, digital or satellite TV, Xbox, PS3 or Wii — connect them all and make everything sound better. Use your laptop, iPad, iPhone or Android device to browse your music library, choose albums and create playlists.



Please consider the similar approach or functions of AVP (Preamp) vs AV Amp (Preamp + Amp)

DS (Digital Stream of HiFi Audio) vs DSM (Digital Stream of HiFi and AV Audio)



Will existing DS players be discontinued?

Klimax, Akurate and Majik DS are the ideal products for HiFi enthusiasts seeking more information from their
digital source.

With the new range of DSM Systems, Linn is making a clear distinction between simple living
room systems and separate, component-based listening rooms.

Sneaky and Sekrit will also remain as they are.

http://www.linn.co.uk/buying/products/linn-ds

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發表於 2011-10-13 10:42:34 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 eosteven 於 2011-10-13 10:46 編輯
DSM – what does the M stand for?

M stands for:
• Music
• Movies & TV
•  ...
raywan 發表於 2011-10-13 07:34


最衰改錯名, 都唔知M乜Q
Media我地唔係咁理解lor
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發表於 2011-10-13 10:44:34 | 顯示全部樓層
So, Linn DS will become AV Pre-amp in the future......

I can foresee that the price of th ...
史的墳 發表於 2011-10-13 09:44



    DMS無可能變成AV-pre, 佢原生只係一部2ch機
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發表於 2011-10-13 10:53:16 | 顯示全部樓層
No, the DS will NOT fade out soon.

The DS and DSM will be developed con-cu ...
raywan 發表於 2011-10-13 10:42


I see.

However, if that's the case, why Linn website just only display the Linn DMS but no Linn DS?  I believe Linn has plans to fade out the Linn DS step-by-step......
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發表於 2011-10-13 10:55:19 | 顯示全部樓層
DMS無可能變成AV-pre, 佢原生只係一部2ch機
eosteven 發表於 2011-10-13 10:44


As I said, I suspect Linn will move towards to AV-cum-HiFi in the near future.

Or maybe somedays Linn will release unbody AV/Hi-Fi amp with Pre + DSP + Power features.
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發表於 2011-10-13 10:56:43 | 顯示全部樓層
DMS無可能變成AV-pre, 佢原生只係一部2ch機
eosteven 發表於 2011-10-13 10:44

就有啲奇怪 , dms可否食到bd hd audio, 如果可以是否hdmi in 時抽走前置個2條channel, 其他channel 由av amp 解 , 還是hdmi in只可以食到2 channel signal (lpcm...)
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-13 11:02:38 | 顯示全部樓層
I see.

However, if that's the case, why Linn website just only display the Linn DMS but no Linn D ...
史的墳 發表於 2011-10-13 10:53




No.

DS and DSM will be developed con-currently to different group of users.

Someone like to use AVP to listen  2 Channel while some will use proper HiFi Preamp to listern 2 Channel.



You can find the details of Linn DS within the New Web Page

All Linn Products: http://www.linn.co.uk/buying/products

Linn DS Products: http://www.linn.co.uk/buying/products/linn-ds

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發表於 2011-10-13 11:04:56 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 eosteven 於 2011-10-13 11:13 編輯
就有啲奇怪 , dms可否食到bd hd audio, 如果可以是否hdmi in 時抽走前置個2條channel, 其他chann ...
Hintel 發表於 2011-10-13 10:56



佢只係食到2ch既PCM訊號,所有HD enceded既訊號都唔識食,
即係要用部BDP decode, ouput PCM 去DSM比佢downmix做2ch, 真係多舊魚
HDMI就係multi channel interface, 比佢搞成2ch  
佢個"media"唔係正常人理解咁lor
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發表於 2011-10-13 11:07:51 | 顯示全部樓層
LINN DSM 我頭開仲以為係佢可以STREAMING到VIDEO FORMAT嘅FILE添...
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發表於 2011-10-13 11:38:47 | 顯示全部樓層
No.

DS and DSM will be developed con-currently to different group of users. ...
raywan 發表於 2011-10-13 11:02


I know that Linn has presented Linn DS information under "Buying Linn -> Product Information -> Linn DS".  But why they don't put it under "Our System -> Linn DS"?

This action will distract the consumer that only Linn DSM is available and Linn DS will also be sold concurrently but not in high profile.
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