Bel Canto REF150S; Pro-Ject Pre Box RS

petshopman

玩左Cyrus一段日子, 各方面都滿意, 但亦開始身痕, 終於忍痛搬屋前大洗牌.

Source 係之前post 過嘅Goldenote CD-7, 間中亦有用apple TV 經Dac聽吓Ipad 嘅KK Box, 好方便, 音色就不能要求, 但比想像中好. 真係咩歌都有, 可以聽左真係鐘意先買碟.

之前用合併amp做preamp, 始終想揾陪獨立preamp, 見呢部Pro-Ject Pre Box RS 細細部, dual mono, 又有Tube output, 價錢亦几合埋, 就入手了.  但缺点係跟机火牛係好cheap嘅switching power supply, 所以訂做左隻好d嘅 Linear power supply 比佢. 我未玩過胆机, 不過我諗呢類型吾算係胆前, 只係算有tube buffer嘅前級.

Power amp 方面, 由於一樣要細細部, 所以選擇吾多, 一向好鐘意Bel Canto嘅簡單設計, 但因為Class D所以却步, 什麽薄聲, 數碼聲 (其賣Class D同數碼冇任何關係), 其實可能同好多人一樣, 只係聽人講就信左一半, 連自己都未試過已先入為主. 掉轉諗, 可能負面comments係來自玩開貴價嘅 Class A, AB amp 嘅C Hings, 我呢ｄ用一條線價錢買一部amp嘅窮人, 就算係買Class A or AB, 又可以買到几好呢? 係AV show見到真身, 終於試入手Bel Canto Ref150S玩吓. 外國ｄ forum 亦有提意用有tube buffer 嘅pre 去配合Class D, 一於試吓.

雖然全部机仔, 但每部都有XLR頭, 可以全用XLR線, 我知道XLR吾等於好過RCA, 但試吓冇壞. 入左Nordost blue heaven 比 preamp - power amp, Oyaide across 900 比CD - preamp, 由於吾夠插頭, 入埋個Isotek Polaris. 喇叭同喇叭線就冇換, 依然係Atlas Hyper 3.0 同 Diapason Karis. 全套微組......喜歡玩細机, 因為地方有限, 兩層shelfs已可放CD, Dac, Pre/ Power, Power supply.

首先講講我聽咩類型歌多,  以Electronic, Pop, Rock, Accoustic 為主, 吾會聽任可Classical同發燒音效碟, 所以要求好簡單, 有一定動態, 背景寧靜.   

之前用過試過嘅class AB amps, 或多或小都有ｄ低燥, 即只駁电, 就算冇input, volume 情況下, speakers會發出或多或小嘅hiss聲, 我知好多人話一開左聲就吾覺, 但個人覺得愈小愈好. 先駁Bel Canto power amp, 真係冇咩低燥, 要耳貼近tweeter先聽到小小, 再駁曬所有机開晒全部机試, 都係冇咩低燥. Good.

開機試聽pet shop boys等电子野, 動態好好, 中底音好實, 再聽ｄvocal, 試Olivia Ong, 背景寧靜令vocal好出好清, 因為仲執更屋所以冇咩時間試, 初部試完算滿意, 吾知係咪tube buffer preamp嘅配合, 又吾覺得Class D有薄声情況.

但有一個問題, 就係成個system gain 太大, 特別係CD input, Volume Knob去到9點已几大聲, 變相用吾到個Volume range, 尤其是用remote較, 一係好大聲, 一係好細聲, 對於我呢ｄ夜晚聽歌又吾想嘈到細路嘅人, low volume dynamic 同 adjustment係好重要. 以前亦做過AB比較, 係所有器材一樣嘅情況下, 個人覺得"細input gain"較大amp volume嘅聲音會比"大input gain"要較細amp volume去就來得自然同dynamic, 調較合適嘅Volume亦較容易. 所以上網訂左對Rothwell XLR attenuators, 可將cd机 或 preamp輸出減10db, 令到Volume range有更寬嘅可用空間, 吾知對聲音有冇影響, 收到後要試試.

謝謝大家分享.

如C Hings 想知價錢, 可上網 check, 基本上同網上外國retail價差不多.

mlfan2012

恭喜，精致微型，整體配合，提議盡可能就最好把喇叭用腳架離櫃放置，咁樣音場或會更好，直接放櫃面最大忌。多謝分享

borisghost

Thanks your sharing

petshopman

mlfan2012 發表於 2013-9-11 22:53
恭喜，精致微型，整體配合，提議盡可能就最好把喇叭用腳架離櫃放置，咁樣音場或會更好，直接放櫃面最大忌。 ...

Thx ching, 我都明白 但地方吾太大 小朋友又細 暫時未能用腳架 唯有花d心思用麻石座加防震膠減小TV 櫃震動

king

老實講，diapason聽classic一流，聽pop唔係佢果瓣

king

小小建議，你地櫃塊板唔夠硬淨，花少少墊塊taoc上去，線條會硬淨好多

petshopman

king 發表於 2013-9-11 23:58
老實講，diapason聽classic一流，聽pop唔係佢果瓣

Thx C Hing, 噤我又冇特登揾d classical去試, 因本身自己吾聽, 之前聽左好几對差不多價位嘅bookshelf, 都係最喜歡Karis. 亦聽過d Hi Fi review話好適合Rock/ Pop果d bookshelf....但....都係耳聽為實.

petshopman

king 發表於 2013-9-12 00:04
小小建議，你地櫃塊板唔夠硬淨，花少少墊塊taoc上去，線條會硬淨好多 ...

係吖d Ikea櫃好流吓, 始終宜家地方係租嘅, 吾想搞d家Ｃ住, 到真係上左車, 先會大搞.

chuck

這套機嘅配搭幾有心思，同時又要配合家居環境和小朋友，直得一讚。至於hi-fi 架方面就慢慢考慮，若要有些比較明顯嘅升級，可以在電源線上出手。

petshopman

chuck 發表於 2013-9-12 11:07
這套機嘅配搭幾有心思，同時又要配合家居環境和小朋友，直得一讚。至於hi-fi 架方面就慢慢考慮，若要有些比 ...

Thx C hing, 始終地方吾大, 擺位上一定要compromise. 电源方面都係用緊wireworld, isotek 入門貨式, 都係遲ｄ上車先會再搞, 最好緊係由頭搞起.

mlfan2012

睇嚟樓主系pet shop boys歌迷，自細路仔聽到大個man 吧， 我都曾經迷過。而家偶然聽返果時嘅Europe beat 都幾過癮。不果怕樓主對喇叭仔頂唔順。

king

petshopman 發表於 2013-9-12 09:59
Thx C Hing, 噤我又冇特登揾d classical去試, 因本身自己吾聽, 之前聽左好几對差不多價位嘅bookshelf, 都 ...

我自己都係karis用家，用左都快兩年了！
呢對喇叭最正（也可能係缺點）甜甜潤潤，聽女聲，弦樂真係一流架！
屬於嘆世界式的喇叭

petshopman

mlfan2012 發表於 2013-9-12 21:13
睇嚟樓主系pet shop boys歌迷，自細路仔聽到大個man 吧， 我都曾經迷過。而家偶然聽返果時嘅Europe beat 都 ...

係吖, pet shop boys由細聽到大, 嗰時仲係聽cassette, 其實嗰個時期(80's)嘅英國pop/ rock都非常有創意. 嗰時錄音技術未必好, 但音樂質數高......宜家啱啱相反, 唉.

mlfan2012

當時我最中意嘅除咗呢隊，就系depache mode, tears for fears, yazoo, erasure, thompson twins, when in rome, human league....呢d都系全部黑膠加套座檯微型組合搞掂。而家聽到嘅同樣歌就完全不同效果了。

petshopman

mlfan2012 發表於 2013-9-13 11:38
當時我最中意嘅除咗呢隊，就系depache mode, tears for fears, yazoo, erasure, thompson twins, when in r ...

Yes, I'm a big fan of depeche mode too and all the bands you mentioned, I like them too, especially tears for fears and yazoo.

mlfan2012

depache mode自己做靚果時就去睇過佢地嘅演唱會，全部都系用synthesizer三條友就唱足兩小時多。好過癮。仲有唔好漏咗 modern talking....you're my heart, you're my soul. 低頻夠勁，你而家呢對喇叭未必頂得順。Yazoo嘅Vince Clarke, Alison Moye，only you, dont go, situation...當時行到邊都聽到，但無耐就散band,  Vince 就組咗 Erasure，唱咗Ship of fool, A little respect, Oh L'Amour...嘩，正呀。

petshopman

mlfan2012 發表於 2013-9-13 13:26
depache mode自己做靚果時就去睇過佢地嘅演唱會，全部都系用synthesizer三條友就唱足兩小時多。好過癮。仲 ...

C Hing真係同道中人, Vince Clark ｄ电子音樂真係好掂, 但冇咩求變, 所以後期Erasure都有ｄ悶, 我都有睇過DM live, 以前d 电子Bands 真係用synthesizer彈live, 宜家d 电子bands大部份只放部Mac Book係面前, 好似打字噤......

edogdgd

C Hing,

Looking for your comment afte you tested "Rothwell XLR attenuators".
I bought it from 2nd hand market seller last two weeks. I am not totally understand any negative effect. BUT it is positive for me to get "lower gain and higher volume level" as comment in forum in other countries~!

thanks ~!

petshopman

edogdgd 發表於 2013-9-13 15:14
C Hing,

Looking for your comment afte you tested "Rothwell XLR attenuators".

OK, I'll let you know after trying. At the end of the day, I guess we'll have to trust our ears, as long as it can reduce the gain and give you more volume range without degrading the sound, then it works. What's your comment after using it?

edogdgd

petshopman 發表於 2013-9-13 17:25
OK, I'll let you know after trying. At the end of the day, I guess we'll have to trust our ears, a ...

For my gear, I just plug it at the input of my pre-amp and the source is DA220 because the gain is too high 4-6V.
Same as your situation, the volume always stay around 9 position. Especially for the latest local album.

Actually, I have another input from CD-S2000, the gain is normal 2V. So, the sound wall is much wide if comparing the input if not plug the Rothwell XLR attenuators. BUT I still like the sound texture of DA220.

After I used the Rothwell XLR attenuators, the sound wall become wide and dark. Dynamic and bass become bigger and more layer, it seems because the volume can be 10 to 11 position. So, it is positive, especially for newly albums.

I am still trying to test with different record. BUT I just feel a liitle bit strange of LPCD album, just 1 to 2 songs, become not good as before.