Audio Desk vinyl cleaner

ConstantK

想請問有無師兄親身用過Audio Desk及請教該物是否真的咁神呢？
有無覺得比用Keith Monks 更乾淨？用Audio Desk洗完後高音會否差咗？
我自己擁碟不多（約800隻），又無地方同錢（即百無），但都想 先了解以便日後(真係有地方有錢…）考慮投資這玩意。現時用VPI 16.5太疲累la。
謝謝！

A811

I found that the Audio Desk is very good but not as impressive as some of the reviewers said. Surface noises are significantly lowered. Depending on the condition of the record, clicks and pops can still be there although much reduced. Most useful to me is that it is automatic. As one of the reviewers said, For other record players the user is the cleaner, the machine just vacuum dry. I listen to LP more often and dig into my 1200-lp library deeper now that cleaning LP is no longer such a chore.

ConstantK

Hello, A811 Ching. So have you used the KEith Monks yourself? And wHat would you say about the shortcoming, apart from the price, of Audio Desk?

ernest

是否超音波？！
對不起，以小弟對木耳，聽過三隻牌子的超音波洗碟機洗完的效果，所有都洗得好乾淨，大部分噪音同超高一齊消失得無影無踪！

bcychung

Very clean
Very efficient
Very quick
Relatively quiet
Very Reliable machine
The only short-coming : expensive
怎可能洗走高音？不可思議的說法。

A811

ConstantK 發表於 2014-4-13 21:22
Hello, A811 Ching. So have you used the KEith Monks yourself? And wHat would you say about the short ...

I used VPI. It would be interesting to compare with KM. In any case, as with other reviewers, I don't find any degradation of the highs. Indeed highs seems improved now that the whole presentation becomes darker (better S/N). Some drawbacks: to me is that it is still noisy during the drying cycle (no worst than the VPI). Sometimes, every few records, there may still be a few tiny drops of water near the lead-out area. It is not that the record is not sufficiently dry but that a few droplets are blown onto the record. A better design is to allow, like the wash cycle, more than one blow-dry cycle. Yes, it is expensive for a record cleaning machine. But I would not regret my purchase as I want to clean record well automatically. I guess as this technology matures, price may drop.

I read that early units have reliability problems. I also read that the problems seem to have been solved.

willip

very good machine. no complaint after using it for a year.

Crymen

怎可能洗走高音？不可思議的說法。 x2

eddie1000

呢部野兩皮幾的時候已好想買，但最衰有次唔覺意留咗口風比老婆知，比佢散到上天花版！而家要三皮幾就更加唔使買啦！

7500martin

Audio Desk未用過我吾知！其實駛乜估估下！求其係鴨記，執兩張一様流行曲，一張用超聲波，另一張吾超！一試便知！十多年已做過此實驗！結果我買左Clearaudio Matix! 不過科技先進，可能Audio Desk已改良舊有超聲波洗碟機問題！！始終十多年前超聲波是坊間用家用工業用機器改良為主！

suzuki

洗也估估下！又話洗完無高音，搵日上代理叫佢洗嚟試下又得自己帶碟上去試冼又得！
得左！

GREENSPAN

ernest 發表於 2014-4-13 16:41
是否超音波？！
對不起，以小弟對木耳，聽過三隻牌子的超音波洗碟機洗完的效果，所有都洗得好乾淨，大部分 ...

如果閣下有工業上使用過超音波機工作, 你就知超音波用震動產生嘅威力有幾勁, 尤其是用在塑膠.

震走表面污清之餘,超音波一定會震動整隻碟內外, 即等如內傷, 膠質起變化, , 只係遲早問題.

petertang88

我做牙醫的朋友說平常他們用的超音波清洗機是可以把錫紙打穿的。

如果同樣的能量用於膠面多少總有影響。

但不知洗碟機的能量強度是否相同？

GREENSPAN

petertang88 發表於 2014-4-14 14:01
我做牙醫的朋友說平常他們用的超音波清洗機是可以把錫紙打穿的。

如果同樣的能量用於膠面多少總有影響。

幾十年前我做廠己經用超聲波機黐膠, 兩塊膠超聲波壓一秒已經溶合,  乾淨利落, 唔使用膠水. power 時大直情會溶咗.

7500martin

petertang88 發表於 2014-4-14 19:01
我做牙醫的朋友說平常他們用的超音波清洗機是可以把錫紙打穿的。

如果同樣的能量用於膠面多少總有影響。

這正是問題關鍵所在！真係要比較過先知！假如地方不是問題，亦可考慮Keith Monk!

suzuki

都系個句不要人云亦云道聽途説就當真！
有心想揾洗碟機做下功課上代理試下自有答案，
代理亦歡迎試機

petertang88

7500martin 發表於 2014-4-14 19:13
這正是問題關鍵所在！真係要比較過先知！假如地方不是問題，亦可考慮Keith Monk! ...

小弟目前只有好小膠，暫時手洗住先！

GREENSPAN

petertang88 發表於 2014-4-14 14:01
我做牙醫的朋友說平常他們用的超音波清洗機是可以把錫紙打穿的。

如果同樣的能量用於膠面多少總有影響。

就算洗碟機超聲波好弱但都係用震動原理, 震動就一定内外都受, 震得多膠質一定起變,等如内傷. 聲音点會冇影响?

junk

youtube 有好多工用超聲波測試 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5PgwEDFzs 真係錫紙都震爛。

Audio Desk個輸出好低應該冇事。

petertang88

suzuki 發表於 2014-4-14 19:18
都系個句不要人云亦云道聽途説就當真！
有心想揾洗碟機做下功課上代理試下自有答案，
代理亦歡迎試機{:5_47 ...

都唔系完全聽人講, logic 推論是合理的。

有可能一次兩次無問題，但日積月累？

小弟唔敢話唔好，但只系我個人唔會試。